(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
DT[2022-04-10]
PC[OGS: https://online-go.com/game/42792262]
GN[TPGL]
PB[AndriiKravets]
PW[Avtikh]
BR[5k]
WR[1d]
TM[300]OT[3x30 byo-yomi]
RE[W+2.5]
SZ[19]
KM[6.5]
RU[Japanese]
C[Avtikh: gl hf
AndriiKravets: Have fun 
Siasio: \[object Object\]
]
;B[pd]
C[AndriiKravets: Have fun 
]
(;W[dp]
(;B[pp]
(;W[dc]
(;B[ce]
(;W[cd]
(;B[de]
(;W[fc]
(;B[ci]
(;W[nq]
(;B[pn]
(;W[oo]
(;B[op]
(;W[np]
(;B[no]
(;W[po]
(;B[qo]
(;W[on]
(;B[qp]
(;W[pm]
(;B[qn]
(;W[mo]
(;B[nn]
(;W[om]
(;B[nm]
(;W[nl]
(;B[ln]
(;W[lo]
(;B[kn]
(;W[ko]
(;B[jn]
C[Nealo: \[object Object\]
]
(;W[ip]
C[kharn: Is there a way to get learn how to play in these positions besides playing  a ton of games and learning from mistakes?
CarloTibaldi: AI
]
(;B[pk]
(;W[ol]
(;B[qm]
(;W[ll]
(;B[mn]
(;W[jl]
(;B[jp]
(;W[jo]
(;B[io]
(;W[jq]
(;B[hp]
(;W[iq]
(;B[in]
(;W[hl]
(;B[hq]
(;W[ho]
C[pizzaplayer: yea ai revision helps
pizzaplayer: wow b is so heavy
]
(;B[kq]
C[pizzaplayer: first time i see that cut in the peep
]
(;W[kr]
(;B[lq]
C[Trevoke: @kharn depends what you mean by "how to play" -- generally, understanding desired results helps you figure out what variations to read and what variations to discard
]
(;W[kp]
(;B[lr]
(;W[mp]
C[pizzaplayer: you can use ai for review the moves that you dont know how to do, ai shows all the secrets
]
(;B[kk]
C[kharn: Thx all.  I can see from how these pros play, that this involves knowing the direction to run to keep your group safe but not allowing your opponent to gain territory from the attack
]
(;W[kl]
C[kharn: Very difficult for a DDK like me
]
(;B[go]
C[pizzaplayer: play a solid game start and all will be fine with you after middle game, if u know when to make more territory or invade xD
]
(;W[hn]
(;B[hm]
C[Trevoke: @kharn don't worry it's actually difficult for dan players too :p
]
(;W[gn]
C[sonoflilit: It involves amounts of reading that seem unreal to players at our level
]
(;B[gm]
C[pizzaplayer: its very hard but i say ai improved my skills
kharn: :)
pizzaplayer: i think worth you pay for ai in ogs
]
(;W[fn]
(;B[il]
C[pizzaplayer: its cheap and you will see many variations
kharn: I use ai-sensei
]
(;W[ik]
C[kharn: but the ai info is meaningless to my DDK mind :(
]
(;B[im]
C[kharn: Sorry for the OT>
]
(;W[jk]
C[pizzaplayer: do u know when you have a difficult move to play? that time use your time to try to read at least, it will improve your games if u find solution
]
(;B[hr]
C[pizzaplayer: u will know the critical moment to think more
]
(;W[jr]
C[pizzaplayer: playing fast is no good
]
(;B[or]
(;W[nr]
C[Zaphodian: I doubt that AI will help a 10k with his game. I think it will just be an illusion.
pizzaplayer: its a bit hard i think, ai is very hard also
Trevoke: @kharn here's the first thing for you to focus on: in the very early stages of the game, when you're doing your joseki, make sure your resulting group is strong, and make it difficult for the opponent's group to be strong
]
(;B[fm]
C[pizzaplayer: we need books to read
pizzaplayer: zaphodian have nice books, one time i will buy from kiseido :D
]
(;W[en]
(;B[dr]
C[pizzaplayer: i want the digital version of shusaku book if possible
pizzaplayer: how much would be it
pizzaplayer: invicible book
]
(;W[dl]
(;B[fk]
(;W[dj]
C[pizzaplayer: isnt weird that b have a lot of territory already?
]
(;B[cq]
C[pizzaplayer: or its ok for both?
Trevoke: I just learned today that Invincible is available from .. "go books", I think, as a digital edition, for the normal price
pizzaplayer: what website is that ? go books ?
]
(;W[cp]
(;B[fi]
C[Trevoke: https://gobooks.com/index.html
]
(;W[di]
(;B[ch]
(;W[gj]
(;B[fj]
(;W[dh]
C[Trevoke: While we're on the topic I guess I can also link you to the Shusaku Study Project which I just started: https://blog.trevoke.net/shusaku/
]
(;B[hh]
(;W[jh]
(;B[ed]
(;W[ec]
C[pizzaplayer: epub is kindle format?
Trevoke: I think kindle is "mobi" 
]
(;B[ck]
C[pizzaplayer: ah yea
]
(;W[dk]
C[Trevoke: epub is basically packaged HTML, it's the open ebook format
]
(;B[cj]
C[pizzaplayer: what program i need to read epub?
]
(;W[cl]
C[pizzaplayer: who is ahead in this game? so confusing
]
(;B[be]
(;W[dq]
C[kharn: @pizzaplayer, I had the same question but was ashamed to ask :)
pizzaplayer: :)
]
(;B[br]
C[pizzaplayer: w can attack a bit more of b center seems
Lys prosodiae: black has lots of points but white is making it up with building strength and bullying black's weaknesses
]
(;W[er]
(;B[bp]
C[pizzaplayer: f3?
vitamancy: Other Euro-pros reviewing live on twitch:https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation/
]
(;W[ds]
C[pizzaplayer: ko?
Lys prosodiae: the issue now will be that neither of the floating groups in the centre are really settled, they're two dragons
]
(;B[cn]
C[Trevoke: so -- "gobooks" means you can read it on the gobooks app, and the gobooks app has dynamic goban UI, so you can click black and forth, which is nice (at least that's what I hear, I don't have an Apple device). For epub -- you can search for "epub reader" on any search engine and come up with a bunch of options, I don't have a favorite or recommended one
]
(;W[cr]
C[Lys prosodiae: so it's a bit hard to tell who's ahead when both players have floating dragons
pizzaplayer: maybe is possible to convert epub to mobi
]
(;B[em]
C[pizzaplayer: i have no idea of what is b doing
]
(;W[dn]
C[clywzach: me neither
]
(;B[bl]
C[Trevoke: B is making the game more complicated
Lys prosodiae: looking for his honour
]
(;W[dm]
C[pizzaplayer: w got h2 and sente
Lys prosodiae: zuko style
]
(;B[bn]
(;W[fh]
C[clywzach: i am constantly baffled by how andri neglects the groups to take big pts and how calm ali plays 
]
(;B[hj]
C[pizzaplayer: b doesnt care about center lol
clywzach: :\[
]
(;W[hk]
(;B[fg]
C[pizzaplayer: let me use score estimator
]
(;W[cg]
(;B[bg]
(;W[qc]
(;B[qd]
(;W[pc]
C[pizzaplayer: i hate playing r17, always gives a nice wall for b
pizzaplayer: but everyone is doing it
]
(;B[od]
(;W[nb]
(;B[nj]
C[clywzach: yeah pizzaplayer get with the times :p
]
(;W[rc]
C[pizzaplayer: w is so calm lol
]
(;B[lj]
C[kharn: I couldn't figure out when to block or not block a move like S17
pizzaplayer: well black is trying to attack more center
]
(;W[ii]
C[pizzaplayer: hes gonna s16 i guess
Trevoke: @pizzaplayer the AI is fairly clear on the point that the 3-3 invasion provides an equivalent result for both players, so .. maybe you have to spend some time playing a territory-oriented game so you get more comfortable dealing with opponent's thickness :)
]
(;B[hi]
C[pizzaplayer: yea i find hard dealing with thickness
]
(;W[oj]
C[RafaCUBA: No I think that
]
(;B[ml]
C[pizzaplayer: wow
pizzaplayer: what is thisss
]
(;W[mk]
(;B[nk]
C[Trevoke: Stanislaw asked the same question
Trevoke: You're in good company
]
(;W[ok]
(;B[mm]
C[pizzaplayer: omg
]
(;W[oh]
C[Trevoke: I just finished going through three Shusaku games this morning and this is.. Hmm... A more modern way of playing.
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(;B[ni]
(;W[oi]
C[pizzaplayer: seems s16 will never be played xD
]
(;B[mg]
(;W[ng]
C[Trevoke: I think this game will end by time or resignation
]
(;B[mf]
(;W[nf]
(;B[me]
(;W[ne]
(;B[nd]
(;W[md]
C[pizzaplayer: what is w doing now lol
]
(;B[nh]
C[Trevoke: W is saying that if B wants the center then W wants compensation
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(;W[pf]
(;B[mc]
C[pizzaplayer: w is creating useless groups
]
(;W[ld]
C[clywzach: w is saying that b wedge attack method is suspect pizzaplayer
]
(;B[ob]
C[clywzach: n8
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(;W[lk]
C[Trevoke: All W's groups are impacting liberty and eye space of a B group somewhere
]
(;B[kf]
C[pizzaplayer: sry im lost now
Trevoke: You should check out the commentary https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation
RafaCUBA: Okey
]
(;W[jf]
C[snakesss: you were following til now? :D
Trevoke: they're covering this
pizzaplayer: let me check the video lol
]
(;B[ke]
C[snakesss: black is trying to create a semeai with one of the white groups
]
(;W[eh]
C[snakesss: first tried with p12 group
]
(;B[gh]
C[snakesss: now the center white?
pizzaplayer: hey snakesss :) good to c u
]
(;W[gk]
(;B[gi]
C[snakesss: o/ pizza - likewise
]
(;W[ie]
(;B[hf]
(;W[he]
(;B[kc]
(;W[ef]
(;B[ge]
(;W[fe]
(;B[gf]
(;W[kg]
(;B[fd]
C[snakesss: i killed kibitz? or twitch link did?
]
(;W[lc]
(;B[lb]
(;W[mb]
C[pizzaplayer: i was on twitch x)
]
(;B[kb]
(;W[gd]
(;B[eg]
(;W[oc]
(;B[nc]
(;W[pb]
(;B[qi]
(;W[qk]
(;B[rk]
(;W[li]
C[kharn: I have not seen so much clamps in a game
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(;B[mh]
(;W[ql]
(;B[rl]
(;W[qj]
(;B[gc]
(;W[hd]
(;B[hc]
(;W[kj]
(;B[bc]
(;W[bd]
(;B[ad]
(;W[bb]
(;B[ab]
(;W[cc]
(;B[ac]
(;W[dg]
(;B[df]
(;W[bf]
C[RobinB: im kind of impressed how black managed to stay in the game haha
snakesss: ooo is it turning around?
]
(;B[ic]
(;W[bh]
(;B[bq]
(;W[ca]
(;B[fb]
C[RobinB: S10 maybe the biggest move rught now
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(;W[rj]
(;B[rf]
C[pizzaplayer: seems w wins
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(;W[rg]
(;B[qg]
(;W[rm]
(;B[qf]
(;W[rn]
(;B[ro]
(;W[sk]
(;B[sn]
(;W[sl]
(;B[pr]
(;W[rd]
(;B[re]
(;W[bm]
(;B[bk]
(;W[cm]
(;B[am]
(;W[oe]
(;B[qe]
(;W[bi]
(;B[bs]
(;W[co]
(;B[bo]
(;W[al]
(;B[an]
(;W[pg]
(;B[ig]
(;W[jg]
(;B[mj]
(;W[ij]
(;B[ns]
(;W[ms]
(;B[os]
(;W[mr]
(;B[ri]
(;W[cf]
(;B[ee]
(;W[af]
(;B[ae]
(;W[aj]
(;B[ak]
(;W[je]
C[LVL79: W+komi
]
(;B[jd]
(;W[lg]
(;B[pi]
(;W[pj]
(;B[si]
(;W[ph]
(;B[qh]
(;W[oq]
(;B[pq]
(;W[lf]
(;B[le]
(;W[lh]
(;B[cs]
(;W[dr]
(;B[ma]
(;W[oa]
(;B[sd]
(;W[sc]
(;B[se]
(;W[bj]
(;B[al]
(;W[na]
(;B[la]
(;W[sm]
(;B[so]
(;W[mi]
(;B[kd]
(;W[ih]
C[RobinB: what a game
]
(;B[if]
(;W[]
(;B[]
C[Avtikh: gg
AndriiKravets: gg 
Avtikh: we will play game 2 in ~10 mins
fightyoats: gg
RobinB: gg
RafaCUBA: Gg
LVL79: GG
kharn: ty for the game!
trohde: Congrats @Ali, and thanks to both of you for an awesome game!
trohde: 🙏
]
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